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Akirei Scytale
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:23:00 -
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Because of the omnipresence of spies and sabotage. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:35:00 -
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Moe Doobie wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Because of the omnipresence of spies and sabotage. Ok....I'll be clearer about my confusion: If I'm a spy, I'm after something, right? I'm probably an experienced player, right? Me being a spy AND experienced, I already know what API keys show, and what you would consider a red flag, right? So then wouldn't you expect me to apply with a pristine toon? How does my transaction history help you determine whether or not I'm a spy? Is this foolproof?
What situation do you think will result in more spies in your corp:
Any and all can apply with 1 minutes effort, or every spy has to go through the trouble of buying a second account and furnishing it with a believable history? TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Akirei Scytale
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:36:00 -
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Silk daShocka wrote:Moe Doobie wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Because of the omnipresence of spies and sabotage. Ok....I'll be clearer about my confusion: If I'm a spy, I'm after something, right? I'm probably an experienced player, right? Me being a spy AND experienced, I already know what API keys show, and what you would consider a red flag, right? So then wouldn't you expect me to apply with a pristine toon? How does my transaction history help you determine whether or not I'm a spy? Is this foolproof? See above, regarding bad players thinking API can identify spies. You can easily hide financial data in different ways that won't show on the API where the money is coming from.
It is straight up stupid to assume that preventative measures which force undesirables to burn time, money and effort to do something otherwise effortless are a waste of time. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:46:00 -
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Moe Doobie wrote:Come on man, you know spies play to WIN dude.
You really think paying 30 bucks for a 90-day toon just to build up a credible history ISN'T worth billions of isk or info that will win a huge war???
Even IF the spy has to pay it (which we both know he probably wont;, the Alliance will probably pony that up,it's 30 bucks) it's still worth it. 20 bucks for plex, or 30 bucks for a toon that could net you billions???
The kinds of spies who win wars are director-level spies.
That's gonna involve a new account, several months building a believable history, and then several years getting the entire alliance's trust as you make your way into a position where you are privy to actually sensitive information and are able to actually directly influence the alliance as a whole. Some scrub spy joining on a 4 month toon and relaying fleet positions isn't going to come ******* close to winning a war. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:52:00 -
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Moe Doobie wrote: My main is a few weeks old.
So you basically just made my point.
Why then does seeing my wallet matter, on a 2 week old toon if it takes years (according to you) to do any significant damage to an Alliance?
Because all spies are annoying, as are awoxers, and keeping their numbers low saves a headache. Seriously, if you aren't doing anything shady, then what the hell do you care if someone can see your wallet? You know what the first thing a recruitment officer is goign to do when looking at your wallet? Make sure you aren't an obvious RMTer that will get the entire alliance in trouble.
Also, equating a permanent SSN to an easily-disabled API is very disingenuous. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Akirei Scytale
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:55:00 -
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Moe Doobie wrote: Hiding = Malicious intent.
In EVE, that is a safe assumption. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Akirei Scytale
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Posted - 2012.11.02 01:10:00 -
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Moe Doobie wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Moe Doobie wrote: Hiding = Malicious intent.
In EVE, that is a safe assumption. I disagree. Again. A Devoted spy will do anything to get in. A Devoted spy will KNOW what you're looking for. Granted, the person hiding COULD also be a spy. However since the toon with the clean cut trans history and the one who is hiding his could both be spies, what exactly, then, is the point of wanting to check the trans history to expose this intent? We're going in circles, the earlier poster was right,some folks just take this game WAY too seriously. Just need to find some laid back folks to play with. I'm not putting myself through a Federal Background check and I'm not joining someone's stupidass forum and sit for 3 months just to apply and play. If that means joining a smaller Alliance/Corp then so be it.
Your corp has required information on applications. Every single member supplies it. Then some guy comes along and refuses to share it. That is suspicious. Raises red flags.
Yes, a spy who puts in tons of time and effort is going to get in. But if you had any idea how many incompetent or lazy spies get busted by even the most basic checks, your head would probably explode. Most people are stupid and/or lazy. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.11.02 01:22:00 -
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Moe Doobie wrote: I get it. That's why I didn't hassle her. I just said thanks and moved along.
Super-Spy, right?
lol.
Then what exactly are you even complaining about? If you won't even meet basic requirements, a corp is not going to be sad they lost a sketchy applicant. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.11.02 01:34:00 -
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Arsedestroyer wrote: TEST has basic requirements?
This community never ceases to amaze me.
I didn't even mention TEST, and yes, Dreddit requires you to furnish an API and have been an active member of Reddit.
0/10. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.11.02 08:50:00 -
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Oaiso wrote:Turelus wrote:Sure it wont stop a GOOD spy but it weeds out the lazy ones, nothing will ever truly stop any spy joining but there are some corps who want to do basic levels of security. If you're not happy joining a corp who can see your API then find one that doesn't do security checks, just don't complain if that corp has a smash and grab at some point and loses a bunch of stuff.
Why would you be worried about a bad spy? What corp gives members the ability to do a smash and grab besides noob corps? You're proving some other poster's point. I guarantee you, you're alienating 100% more players than effective spies. But it's worse than that it's giving you a false sense of security. If it isn't giving you a false sense of security than why are you even doing it?
Because they're an annoying headache that is extremely easy to eliminate.
And the sort of player who can't be assed to provide an API is not likely to be one who will contribute much to a corporation in the first place. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.11.02 08:57:00 -
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Oaiso wrote:I view "noob friendly" as being friendly to noobs in EVE. The goons kill 2 week old characters in retrievers. What you're calling noob friendly I just call neckbearded snobbery.
Did you read my previous posts? 
Not furbishing API screams "I don't trust you and / or I am doing some sketchy **** I don't want you to know about." Not someone a corp would jump at the opportunity to recruit. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.11.03 08:07:00 -
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Oaiso wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote: Not to mention it allows people to connect other dots. There are 3rd party tools that allow people to see your chat history. By looking at all the activity of your character and sifting through chat history people can figure out a lot about who you really are.
You guys in a lot of ways are just proxy accounts You have absolutely no privacy and you know if you even say something out of line, you're in trouble because they actively monitor your emails, your posts, even your chat history. You really aren't individuals playing the game. I see it pretty clearly now 0.0 the slavish hordes and the Free Peoples of High Sec with varying levels in-between. "why dey so scared to give fullAPI??" Some people don't want to RP as someone else's property.
Have you ever held a job or been in a position where you were privy to sensitive information? That's generally a lengthy legal process, in the case of a diplomat with top secret clearance, a multi-month one. And yes, they keep an eye on you.
EVE is extremely tame by comparison, and its preventing the same thing. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.11.03 08:10:00 -
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Oaiso wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote: Have you ever held a job or been in a position where you were privy to sensitive information? That's generally a lengthy legal process, in the case of a diplomat with top secret clearance, a multi-month one. And yes, they keep an eye on you.
EVE is extremely tame by comparison, and its preventing the same thing.
Continue to compare yourself to 007, nerd
Would you like a picture of the cover of my diplomatic passport? TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.11.03 08:20:00 -
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Sent. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.11.03 08:34:00 -
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Oaiso wrote: Oh but you do have so much to lose you just don't know it. Your ego is suffering beneath the surface. Soon you will be sacrificing your sexuality
You should see what happens on TEST fleets when hostiles refuse to come and play.
I'm still scarred by the dramatic reading of that homoerotic fanfiction involving Spock, Kirk, Picard, Sponge Bob and Harry Potter. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
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